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Organization How would you like our levels to be categorized?

Discussion in 'General (Issues, Help, Discussions)' started by richardfu, Jun 21, 2016.

Should the Mekorama levels here be sorted by an objective method, or a subjective method?

Poll closed Jul 3, 2016.
  1. Objective (measurable, seen by most in the same way)

    8 vote(s)
    88.9%
  2. Subjective (perceptive, variable by individual)

    1 vote(s)
    11.1%
  1. Anmol

    Anmol Member

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    i prefer (precision, creative) it woulb be great enough if staff members categories the levels
     
  2. RMJ

    RMJ New Member

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    i think it's almost imposible to find an objective category, in my opinion don't make the tag is too complicated, jut make a simple tags just like action, puzzle, auto and other :)
     
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    levels also can be categorize in such that for begieners for players for masters for adventureres
     
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  4. RMJ

    RMJ New Member

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    and about difficult, i sure there are some player that more smart at puzzle, and not smart on action, just think that
     
  5. Sunny Sunset

    Sunny Sunset Active Member

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    There is the ability to see all tags that have been created. From that list, you can choose what you would like to search on. There are a lot of tags.

    Please read my posts regarding the descriptions of the categories that are being proposed here. All of them can become tags as well

    However, we DO need some categorization in the terms of additional page sections, much like a stock photo site, on this site, as this one page of simply LEVELS is pretty tedious to page through … And it's only going to get worse as the number of levels increases.
     
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    Sunny Sunset Active Member

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    We can add up to eight major categories… These are Broad categories, with a handful of subcategories within.

    I am beginning to get the impression that nobody understands this categorization process… Nor can anyone visualize the end result in terms of website pages, or tags.

    Look at a stock photo site, and look at Amazon Kindle books, look at Home Depot or Lowe's hardware categorization on their site. Look at any website that categorizes the products that they sell.

    These levels are no different than any of those… And we need to get this done NOW,
     
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  7. Sunny Sunset

    Sunny Sunset Active Member

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    @NeoCHI can you please set up a hierarchy tree showing how these Categories will look on the site? If people can visualize what you are trying to do, perhaps we can get better feedback.

    Call the 8 top level ones in the tree
    Major category 1
    Major category 2, etc

    Under each major category, please add up to eight subcategories, and name them:
    Subcategory 1,
    Subcategory 2, etc.

    We will hash out the names of the categories later, once people can SEE what we're trying to do, and how it will all work in the end. I believe that is what is missing in this discussion. We don't know what YOU can actually do in terms of formatting the site to fit the categorization process.

    Thanks!
     
  8. RMJ

    RMJ New Member

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    there are a game that have a very good catogorization named Geometry Dash here the photo, maybe it's can be an Example
     

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    RMJ New Member

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    I think we can classfy the level to category
    1.Puzzle
    - Labirinth
    - Find Code
    - Find Way
    - Unique Puzzle
    2.Action
    - Time limit
    - Obscacles
    3.Auto
    Automatic level, so i think there is no subcategory
    4.Other
    - Unsolveable
    - Bugs
    it's my opinion
     
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    i like the design
     
  11. richardfu

    richardfu Moderator

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    True that difficulty cannot be measured. It's just funny that you think level type categories can be measured and are objective. What you think focuses on precision another may think focuses on puzzle. There is no way to measure the main focus of a level. Of course I never said difficulties are completely objective so you are arguing against your own imagination.

    Assuming that every level has a main focus is another false assumption. A level can be a combination of several aspects and there isn't necessarily a main focus.

    There's no need to repeat your idea. I fully understand it and I think it makes no sense. You still cannot explain why we should use both categories and tags to represent level types, making it more complicated than needed.
     
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    i think that we need to do this fast becouse levels are incrementing fastly we need categorized NOW, RMJ´s categories is good to start, leater we can put more details like sunny suggest us
     
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    IT'S USELESS IF WE NATO, NO ACTION TALK ONLY, WE MUST ACT NOW !
     
  14. Sunny Sunset

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    Of course I can explain why categories and tags are both important... You just can't see the big picture.

    Go to a hardware store site, like Lowes or Home Depot

    Look up home security.
    Look up lighting.
    Within lighting there are TAGS for things like
    indoor,
    outdoor,
    motion detection,
    Energy saving,
    dusk to dawn,
    Flood light,
    Halogen
    LED
    one bulb,
    three bulbs, etc.

    These tags don't just fit home security lighting, many of them can fit other lighting as well, such as patio lighting, garage lighting, commercial lighting, living room lamps, kitchen lights, refrigerators, TVs, appliances, etc.

    The majot category people will look up is HOME SECURITY. Everything else simply fine-tunes their search.

    Let me guess,
    you used to ask a librarian how to find a book rather than use the card catalog yourself, right?
    You also are not good at research using search engines either, since you are not starting with the big picture and then fine-tuning...

    Go to google and search for "difficult"... Just that one word.
    It's guaranteed you will not find what you want.

    Go to google and search for "puzzle box". Just those two words.
    You will find a SPECIFIC style of puzzle, that is well known for its sequential solving patterns.

    Categories are objective
    Puzzles are objective, because the various styles can be defined, and have been defined already within many different media and genre.

    If you are unable to see the big picture of what we're dealing with regarding these levels, you will never understand what I've written in any of my posts.

    If you do not see the relationship between these puzzle levels and books, you will never understand what I've written in any of my posts.

    If you do not understand how a category, subject, hierarchy tree, or even a dichotomous key, works, you will never understand what I've written in any of my posts.
     
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    I love the names for the difficulty levels… :)
    But the rest of the buttons are totally useless for Mekorama
    Additionally, the design or style does not match this website. I'm waiting to see what @NeoCHI comes up with.

    ( my personal thought is, a sidebar of text links to the various categories, much like stock photo sites do)
     
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    Yes, every level has a focus. Even one that has multiple elements has an overall focus.

    That focus can relate to:
    precision ball hitting,
    it can be focused on being an intricate path,
    the focus can be on timing
    It can be focused on a bug
    It can be focused on being an automatic level: tap And watch him go

    Every level has a focus, it may be subtle, but it's there. No matter how many elements are in it, or mechanisms, every level has a focus.

    Even an encyclopedia has a focus.
    And if you can't catch the analogy of how an encyclopedia is a focused book...It's hopeless.

    LOL
     
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    In order to act, we need to talk about which direction the action is going to take.

    READY!
    FIRE!
    AIM!

    Is NOT an optimal approach

    And it appears that one person here is trying to put rifle bullets into a cannon..., And missing the mark completely with all the scatter...
     
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    Is 'Unique Puzzle' used to hold all other kinds of puzzles not in the above? If so, do they deserve not getting their own categories?

    And where do you place golf levels, bot-throwing levels, randomness levels, stand-on-the-ball levels, blocking-R-Bot levels? (It's not limited to these)

    Please understand that the moderators need to do this job, and we can't do it if the categories are flawed. We need to make sure the categories are both exclusive and comprehensive.
     
  19. richardfu

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    Your examples are not useful here. What happens in a hardware store is irrelevant to the categorization of levels.

    If you really like to reference what happens elsewhere, I recommend checking out a much more relevant site, mekorama.net and see how they do it.

    categories can never be objective. There are infinite possibilities in the levels, and a level can include a bit of everything. Where do you draw the line between categories? How do you ensure two people can reach the same conclusion on a level based on these definitions?

    Your personal judgements on me are all false, and they only show your incapabilities in providing legitimate reasons. What you can only do is 'guessing'. I wouldn't go deep in personal judgements, but, I have seen countless examples of you misjudging levels, claiming they are not beatable when they are not hard to finish. Thus my personal judgement on you is that you can't be trusted in doing the categorizations of levels - How can we trust that you understand all the aspects of a level if you can't even finish it?
     
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    I completely agree with the statements here.
     

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